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Having come across this website with relation to the Raymond's from Wye in Kent as mentioned by the Dutchess of Cleveland in her book The Battle Abbey Roll.

The 1066.co.nz website is an incredible body of work! Not having looked closer I was unaware of the amount of research that can be used to back-up some of my earlier findings

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I have taken the text above that Michael A. Linton wrote to describe the Battle Abbey Roll and its versions and transcribed it below.

Michael A. Linton is the creator of the Mosaic Bayeux Tapestry, a geneoligist and the author of the 1066.co.nz website.

This is popularly supposed to have been a list of William the Conqueror's companions preserved at Battle Abbey, on the site of his great victory over Harold.

It is known to us only from 16th century versions of it published by Leland, Holinshed and Duchesne, all more or less imperfect and corrupt. Holinshed's is much the fullest, but of its 629 names several are duplicates. The versions of Leland and Duchesne, though much shorter, each contain many names found in neither of the other lists. It was so obvious that several of the names had no right to figure on the roll, that Camden, as did Dugdale after him, held them to have been interpolated at various times by the monks, "not without their own advantage."

Modern writers have gone further, Sir Egerton Brydges denouncing the roll as "a disgusting forgery," and EA Freeman dismissing it as "a transparent fiction." An attempt to vindicate the roll was made by the last duchess of Cleveland, whose Battle Abbey Roll (3 vols, 1889) is the best guide to its contents.

It is probable that the character of the roll has been quite misunderstood. It is not a list of individuals, but only of family surnames, and it seems to have been intended to show which families had "come over with the Conqueror," and to have been compiled about the 14th century. The compiler appears to have been influenced by the French sound of names, and to have included many families of later settlement, such as that of Grandson, which did not come to England from Savoy till two centuries after the Conquest. The roll itself appears to be unheard-of before and after the 16th century, but other lists were current at least as early as the 15th century, as the duchess of Cleveland has shown.

In 1866 a list of the Conqueror's followers, compiled from Domesday and other authentic records, was set up in Dives church by Léopold Delisle, and is printed in the duchess' work. Its contents are naturally sufficient to show that the Battle Roll is worthless.

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1066.co.nz is fully indexed by Google, so if you search for something that is on their pages you are likely to find it. However, it is knowing what to search for!

As my interest is finding cross-references back to the specific history of Belchamp Walter it is also in my interest to have the same Internet searchers who potentially find 10066.co.nz to find my pages as well. To this end I include quotes from them (green boxes) which will also be indexed by Google.

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References: - a note on these

  • 1066.co.nz - Main Index - http:// www.1066.co.nz/Mosaic DVD/ whoswho/index.htm
  • Battle Abbey Roll - http:// www.1066.co.nz/ Mosaic DVD/ whoswho/text/ Battle_Abbey_Roll[1].htm
  • John Leland - https:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ John_Leland_(antiquary)
  • Holinshed's Chronicles, 1577 - https:// www.bl.uk/collection-items/ holinsheds-chronicles-1577 - - British Library
  • 1066 : a medieval mosaic / [ compiled by Michael A. Linton ]. - https:// natlib.govt.nz/records/ 40659756

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